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Gavin and Stacey cast ‘in tears’ as show wraps, says Alison Steadman

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Crowds of fans have queued to catch a glimpse of the stars of Gavin and Stacey, including Joanna Page and Ruth Jones, since filming began in September

Gavin and Stacey star Alison Steadman has said after filming the final scenes of the hit show “90% of us were in tears”.

The actress told BBC’s The One Show the cast had all been dreading the end.

The sitcom’s co-creators, James Corden and Ruth Jones, confirmed in May it would return for one last episode, which will be shown on Christmas Day.

Filming began in September, with fans queuing up to see the stars at locations across the Vale of Glamorgan. It ended on Monday night.

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Filming the finale was emotional, said Steadman, who plays Gavin’s mum Pam.

The 78-year-old added: “We’ve had a great five weeks, we only finished on Monday night,” she said.

“But we were all dreading that final scene when we finished.

“I think 90% of us were in tears, some people braved it, because it’s been so fantastic.

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“We had a wrap party, it was very nice, it was lovely.

“We’ll just miss not filming it any more, it was fabulous.”

The show returned in 2019 for a one-off festive episode, which ended with Ruth Jones’ character Nessa proposing to Neil “Smithy” Smith, played by James Corden.

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Steadman recalled reading the original script for the first time.

“James and Ruth together, they are amazing, their scripts, so witty and funny,” she said.

“When I read the first scene I thought I’ve got to do this. I couldn’t wait, I was going through the script and they didn’t let me down.”

The 2019 episode had the highest overnight Christmas ratings in 12 years, with an average audience of 11.6 million viewers, making it the biggest festive special since 2008.

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By the new year, it had been viewed by 17.1 million people, making it the biggest scripted programme of the decade at the time.

The episode won the impact award at the 2020 National Television Awards.

After the final episode finished filming, the BBC posted on X, formerly Twitter: “And that’s a wrap… for the last time ever.”

Earlier on Wednesday Steadman told BBC Radio 4’s Woman’s Hour: “It’s been a real experience over 17 years from when we did the first series. It can’t get better than that, really.

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“It has to go down as one of my most favourite, fun jobs.”

Getty Images Alison Steadman, filming in character as Gavin's mum Pam, wearing a pink top, and outside a terraced house.Getty Images

Alison Steadman, pictured filming for the 2019 Christmas special, said the tears were flowing when filming wrapped

Hundreds of fans of the sitcom have queued up to see the stars of the show at well-known locations across the Vale of Glamorgan since filming began.

“We’ve come down a few times over the last few weeks,” said 61-year-old Karen Ash from Cwmbran, as shooting wrapped at Pam and Mick’s Essex house, which is actually filmed a few miles away from Barry, in Dinas Powys.

“I’ve been to every location,” said 22-year-old Owain Cleese, from Barry.

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“I’m the biggest, biggest fan… I love them all, but I’ve got to say, who I miss the most is Doris.

“It puts Barry on the map. If people come from England they could come and think ‘Oh, let’s go to Barry. Oh, that’s Gavin and Stacey’s place – let’s go there!’”

Gavin and Stacey fans watch the final day of filming the hit comedy

Gavin and Stacey originally ran for three series between 2007 and 2010, and follows a young couple, played by Mathew Horne and Joanna Page, who pursue a relationship despite one living in Essex and the other in Barry.

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Some fans already think they know what the new show holds.

“I think I might have seen a spoiler – but I’m not prepared to say,” said Karen.

“I’m not going to tell you what my ending is – it’s a spoiler. I think it is anyway!”

The final episode of Gavin And Stacey will air on BBC iPlayer and BBC One on 25 December.

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Because we’re worth it: Why FT, Politico and Racing Post charge big for online news

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Senior executives at Politico, Racing Post and the Financial Times have explained why they charge a high price for quality journalism and resist the temptation to offer heavy discounts.

Politico does not publish prices for its B2B “Pro” subscriptions (but they cost tens of thousands of pounds per year), the FT charges £59 per month for a digital subscription and the Racing Post charges £50 for monthly online access.

Speaking at the recent Press Gazette Future of Media Technology Conference, Politico Europe deputy editor-in-chief Kate Day (who runs the UK team) said: “We are unashamedly expensive. We charge a lot for our subscriptions, tens of thousands of pounds, and people pay it because it’s useful in their job.”

She said subscriptions now account for 60% of Politico’s revenue. Data on which content drives subscriptions and retention gives the editorial team focus, she said: “The biggest value from our journalism is the scoops… that is a very clarifying focusing goal.”

She added: “Where is the value for our readers? In our case it’s because it helps them do their jobs better. We have to keep the newsroom focused all the time on what is the journalism that is going to make a difference, or can they get the same information somewhere else?

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“We talk a lot about who our readers are and what they need. The clarity when you know your audience very well is amazing for the newsroom. You need to build that into every part of how your newsroom talks about commissioning, editing and success.”

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Day said subscription revenue funds Politico’s teams of specialist journalists who are “the cornerstone of our competitive advantage”.

FT: ‘Deep discounting is very tempting but not the right thing’

FT managing director for consumer revenue Fiona Spooner said the title tries to resist the temptation to offer deep discounts (although in the UK it is currently offering 50% off a digital subscription for the first year).

She said: “We have found that deep discounting is not the right thing for sustainable long term growth. It’s very tempting because you see the results straight away.

“The latest offer for the Washington Post is $29 a year and we are $50-$60 per month, so our pricing is quite significantly higher. We are in a market which is used to discounting. The internal pressure is why don’t we just drop the price?

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“When we did that going back to Brexit we had a huge spike in subscriptions…but one year and two years later we saw a big spike in cancellations.”

She said that the FT prefers to offer different packages at lower prices: such as subscriptions to individual newsletters (eg. Inside Politics), or FT Edit (an app which offers access to a selection of FT journalism).

The FT also offers readers who want to read just one article the ability to pay £1 for a four-week trial.

Racing Post: ‘We are unashamedly premium’

Racing Post editor Tom Kerr told the conference: “We are an unashamedly premium product. It’s £5 for the newspaper, £50 a month for a top tier [digital] subscription.

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“We realised a long time ago that with the changing economics of the industry, either we could charge people what we thought was a fair price for the quality of content and data we were providing or we would have to cut corners.

“We went down the route of quite aggressive price rises and have been on that path for some time now. If you are offering the quality of content, if it is distinct, if it is unique and if it demonstrably provides value to a discerning audience, people are willing to pay that.”

Guardian: Focus on lifetime value of subscribers

The Guardian currently offers access to the title’s digital edition for £149 per year (up from £99 a year ago). It also offers ad-free reading and unlimited access to The Guardian app for £12 per month.

Guardian chief supporter officer Liz Wynn said the language around reader revenue (which includes a large volume of donations) is different at The Guardian.

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“It’s a contribution towards supporting the ongoing work of The Guardian.”

On the subject of retaining reader revenue, she said: “The best way to optimise your churn rate is to run no ads. Driving profitable growth while having the right level of retention is the art…

“For some or our readers they are really engaged and want to buy into premium products and subscriptions and that’s incredibly valuable for us.”

She said a good way to avoid a high churn rate is by focusing on the lifetime value to a business of subscribers (rather than acquisition numbers).

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She said: “I am a big fan of running your acquisitions team with a three-year revenue target.”

She added: “If you have an immediate trading problem today, if you want to make a short-term difference, look at winning back lapsed customers.”

Krish Subramanian, CEO and co-founder of Chargebee, told the conference that publishers are increasingly using data science to head off cancellations much earlier.

He said: “It’s not about saving at the point of cancellation, it’s about understanding why they are coming to the point of cancellation. Which cohort of customers are likely to cancel in the next 30 days?

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“We see more companies investing in data science to know who is likely to leave and we can pre-empt the motions that are needed to start saving them.

“At the point of acquisition, some companies are establishing transparency about how you can leave, not because a regulator says so but because this is the right way to treat a customer. Those are the businesses that are able to build that level of trust and think about it as a recurring relationship and not as a subscription.”

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Pharma giant GSK to pay $2.2 to settle Zantac lawsuits

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UK pharmaceutical giant GSK says it will pay as much as $2.2bn (£1.68bn) to settle thousands of cases in US courts over claims that a discontinued version of its heartburn drug Zantac caused cancer.

The firm announced that it has reached agreements with 10 law firms who represent around 80,000 claimants. The settlements account for 93% of all cases.

GSK will also pay $70m to resolve a whistleblower complaint by a laboratory that alleged the drugmaker defrauded the US government by concealing Zantac’s cancer risks.

GSK did not admit wrongdoing in any of the cases.

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The company said in a statement to investors that the settlements “remove significant financial uncertainty, risk and distraction associated with protracted litigation.”

Zantac was first approved for sale in the US in 1983.

Within five years it was the world’s best-selling drug, with annual sales topping $1bn.

In 2020, US regulators pulled Zantac off shelves due to fears that a key ingredient, ranitidine, could turn into a substance that may cause cancer when exposed to heat.

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That move led to tens of thousands of lawsuits against the drug’s manufacturers.

The previous year, UK doctors were told to stop prescribing four types of Zantac as a “precautionary measure”.

It followed concerns in several countries that the products may contain an impurity that has been linked to cancer.

As well as being sold by GSK, the drug has also been marketed by other major pharmaceutical firms Pfizer, Sanofi and Boehringer Ingelheim.

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Pfizer and Sanofi have both agreed to settle cases.

Boehringer Ingelheim is the exception. It has not announced any major settlements.

A drug under the name of Zantac 360, which contains no ranidine, is still being currently sold.

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How Israelis justify genocide to themselves

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How Israelis justify genocide to themselves

Israel’s genocide in Gaza has now surpassed a year, and is quickly spiraling into a regional war that now includes a ground front in Lebanon. As the world reels from the horrors witnessed in the past year alone, how are members of Israeli society justifying those horrors to themselves? In part two of this two-part episode commemorating the solemn anniversary of Oct. 7, Canada-based Israeli filmmaker and journalist Lia Tarachansky joins The Marc Steiner Show to discuss the dark psychological forces shaping Israelis’ support for the occupation and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

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Marc Steiner:  Welcome to The Marc Steiner Show. I’m Marc Steiner. It’s great to have you all with us.

And we are once again going to look at what’s happening in the war in Gaza, where we see now, how many people have been killed? Over 40,000 people have been killed in Gaza. 96,000 people have been wounded or hurt. At least 10,000 are missing. In Israel, 1,200 people have been killed. At least 8,700 are injured. And it’s escalating into Lebanon, and we don’t know where this is going to take us.

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But for many of us, it’s deeply personal, and it’s also a war that we have to work to end. I’m talking today with Lia Tarachansky, who has worked here at The Real News. She’s been a colleague for a long time, an incredible journalist and filmmaker, multimedia artist, born in the Soviet Union, lived in Israel, now lives in Canada. She produced this incredible film On The Side of the Road, among others, and joins us now.

Lia, welcome. Good to have you with us.

Lia Tarachansky:  Thanks, Marc. Thanks for having me back.

Marc Steiner:  It’s always good to talk to you, always. I want to start with this quote that I found on your webpage, and it was written before, but it just spoke to me so deeply about where we are now. And I just want to start there before we get into any political social analysis of where we’re going because it’s so deeply personal and upsetting, watching what’s going on.

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As I said to you before we went on the air, the kibbutzim that were attacked is where my family lives. Some are dead, some are hostages, from what I understand, people I don’t know. My best friend in the Palestinian world had his nephew shot and killed by settlers in the West Bank.

And this is what you wrote: “My rage is sadness. My rage is fear. My rage is fire. My rage is silence. I am so much rage. I don’t know what to do with the rage. I turn it into sadness, but the sadness feels endless. Bottomless. They can’t even call. They can’t even text their loved ones to tell them they’re still alive.”

There’s something, just for me, and I know it must be for you because you lived it, deeply troubling and emotional about this war. There’s something really different here.

Lia Tarachansky:  Yeah. We’ve never lived through anything like this.

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Marc Steiner:  Just talk for a moment just about you. All the stuff you’ve been through, the work you’ve done, standing up and saying what has to be said, living and growing up in Israel. Can you talk just for a moment about Lia Tarachansky and where you are at this moment?

Lia Tarachansky:  Well, I was a correspondent for The Real News for many years in Israel and Palestine. It was an experience that formed my understanding to a very deep level by being in the West Bank several times a week and then going home to Israel and back and forth over years, over many wars.

And then I started to work on a documentary that investigated a group of Israeli and American rabbis that were trying to bring back biblical Judaism and transform the political conflict into a religious conflict.

And it was part of an ongoing investigation, including a murder investigation I was covering for another film of seeing this rise of extreme ideas in Israel, what we nicknamed the Jewish ISIS, this group of people that are pushing towards regional war, pushing towards the return of a very kind of ancient, biblical, and very repressive understanding of Jewishness.

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And I remember thinking, wow, this is so crazy. These people are growing, but we are… There’s no way we’re going to go through what they’re advocating for.

But the confluence of the increase in the movement from a few little groups of people who even the Israeli police, at some point, sent to jail for their extreme views and for their attacks on Palestinians, some of them killed Palestinians. They had long track records with the police. Today, they’re a third of the Israeli Parliament.

The confluence of those ideologies becoming so mainstream that they entered the Parliament to such an extent with our prime minister’s absolute dedication to not go to jail for his corruption means that there’s a lot of very powerful people whose interest is to go deeper into war. And it’s not just on the Israeli side.

The last year has been shocking, unbelievable. The level of mourning that we are constantly in is unparalleled in our history, with the exception of, I think, maybe for Israelis, the time before the state was created.

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As a human being, I’m speechless. The idea that after a year of almost constant bombardment and attack on Gaza, the Israeli government is now escalating into Lebanon, and escalating the very fragile stalemate with Ira is horrifying. It’s terrifying. There’s no other words for it.

Marc Steiner:  I understand what you said completely. I am not Israeli, but I feel the same. Watching this is just emotionally overwhelming.

And politically, the question, where do you think this goes? Where do you think this takes us? You have this very right-wing Israeli government with a huge religious fundamentalist faction in the government pushing these words you were just describing. It’s not so different, in some ways, on the Palestinian side with Hamas.

When you grew up Jewish, Masada is one of the things you talk about, when the Jews all committed suicide and the war that killed the Jews. And it feels like we are collectively, in Israel, committing that same suicide while we’re destroying everything around us.

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Lia Tarachansky:  I don’t know what happened in Masada. I only know the story of the people who got to tell the story, but we don’t know what happened there.

Marc Steiner:  No, not really. Right.

Lia Tarachansky:  I can tell you Israelis don’t want to commit suicide. The vast majority of Israelis don’t want what is happening, but they perceive this as the way to survive. Oct. 7 was a shocking event for Israelis. And while you’re reading the American and European news, we’re reading the Hebrew news. And at every war, Israelis don’t have coverage of what’s going on in Gaza, and they don’t really know.

And you can argue, well, they should know. But unfortunately, these kind of echo chambers that we are siloed in mean that we don’t listen across ethnicities, across nations, across political ideas, and certainly not across war.

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And so, as shocking as it is, the vast majority of Israelis don’t know what’s going on in Gaza, don’t understand, exactly, the impact of what is going on in Lebanon, a country that was already devastated by so many challenges, to now drag the country into this. Just like the hundreds of thousands of fleeing Lebanese, the average Israeli doesn’t want war, but there are political forces a lot stronger than us.

And with an entire country built on military service and on very censored media coverage and a very censored education in schools, this is what you get.

Marc Steiner:  Is it censorship? Is it the government? The military says, no, you can’t print this? Is it that the Israeli press doesn’t want to print it? I mean, why is that happening?

Lia Tarachansky:  Well, certainly the Israeli government is very deeply involved in what is covered in the Israeli press through a network of gag orders. There’s very little that is allowed to be printed in the Israeli press about how the war is actually going on.

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The truth is that the Israeli war in Gaza has been a failure for the Israeli military, which is shocking considering how powerful the Israeli military is, how many weapons it has, and how much surveillance it has of Gaza. It’s still not succeeding because the objective that is stated to the Israeli public is an unachievable objective.

And so there is no way to destroy Hamas. There’s no way to destroy a political party. The only thing that brutality is going to cause is more brutality. And so the war as presented to the Israeli public is very curated. The Israeli public very rarely looks at international press.

And anyway, the international press is not really covering what’s going on in Gaza anymore. They talk about casualties and they talk about access to water and food, but they don’t have people on the ground. And Palestinian journalists, so many of them have been killed that there’s very little accurate information coming out.

So yeah, there’s a lot of official censorship on behalf of the Israeli government, both through the military censor and through the gag orders. There’s even more self-censorship on behalf of Israeli journalists that are, at the end of the day, Israelis, and are keenly aware of the fact that their future as journalists is dependent on them not covering certain things.

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The vast majority of Israeli journalists don’t speak Arabic, don’t have contacts in Gaza. Khalil Abu Yahia who was a person who spoke quite a bit and was interviewed quite a bit was killed very shortly after Oct. 7. So many journalists have been killed that even if you had contacts, which most journalists don’t, there’s a good chance that they didn’t make it.

So it’s a mess. There’s no other way of putting it. It’s a complete mess, and it’s a train wreck that’s being driven by drunk and self-obsessed narcissists. And we are being dragged into this train wreck with them.

Marc Steiner:  We, being the entire world, or we being… Who’s the we?

Lia Tarachansky:  I mean, obviously, I’m looking at my community.

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Marc Steiner:  Yes, right, right.

Lia Tarachansky:  But it’s not just Israelis and Palestinians, and Lebanese and Iranians, it’s also now the entire region. The whole world is involved in arming and profiting from this fight. So you can say you as Americans are, I would say, even more implicated than Israelis and what’s going on. And if you were to stand up to your government, this war would end tomorrow. But when you have these kinds of periodic genocides, you lose your motivation for political action, and this is the result of it.

Marc Steiner:  What you just said I think is really critical, which is that the American government is key to this. It’s probably the only force on the earth at this moment that can stop the war.

Lia Tarachansky:  Yes. Well, the American government has always been lukewarm on stopping Israeli wars.

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Marc Steiner:  It’s true. Now, we’re in the midst of an election, which makes it even more difficult because people are afraid to take a position because they’re afraid to lose the election. So all that is complicating what’s happening at the moment.

Lia Tarachansky:  Completely, yes.

Marc Steiner:  The reason I was looking forward to talking to you is because I know all the things you’ve written, all the things that you’ve produced, this film, you have a deep sense of the place and what’s going on. And I think that what you’re saying now is that what we’re witnessing now in Gaza, in Israel, the attack in Lebanon, this could really affect the entire planet very shortly if it’s not stopped.

Lia Tarachansky:  It is affecting the entire planet right now. But I think that when you become complacent, maybe you need a gun in your face until you actually open your eyes.

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Marc Steiner:  Yes. I mean, it’s true. People don’t feel that yet.

Lia Tarachansky:  Oct. 7 was a wake-up call. An act of such brutality has a way of clarifying things. Gaza has been an open-air prison for many, many years. And in the minds of most Israelis, it is someplace over there where we don’t talk about it. It doesn’t matter. It’s just a bunch of terrorists. Out of sight, out of mind.

When Oct. 7 happened, the brutality of Oct. 7 breached those mechanisms of denial in a way that I don’t know if anything else could have. So call this our wake-up call. And when you have a system that is so brutal like the Israeli occupation, that’s what you get. This is what you get.

Marc Steiner:  Is there any light? Is there any hope? Is there any way this ends? I mean, it seems to me that the United States has to step in on some level to make it happen. The last, but I don’t know how that… Go ahead. I’m sorry.

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Lia Tarachansky:  And Kamala Harris will not get involved. She can’t afford in her first months and years of leadership to get involved. It’s not going to happen. Not with your American current political system.

Marc Steiner:  I mean, it just seems to me that however this ends in the next six months to a year, however long it is, that this is a critical turning point for the Middle East, for Europe, for the United States.

Lia Tarachansky:  The only way this can end is if through, even pure lies, you can convince Israelis that they have won and that they are safe. Like any small country, especially a country that’s been through so many wars and that has a self-narrative of being a victim of history, you have to act in extremely brutal ways in order to fight overwhelming enemies. We know this from basic military strategy.

Why does Daesh or ISIS, as you call it, why do they behead people? Because you have to appear to your enemy to be completely crazy and brutal to a point that they will not screw with you because you are actually much more powerless than you portray yourself.

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Israeli military, the Israeli policy towards Palestinians has always been to appear as brutal and insane and genocidal as you can so that everyone assumes that you’ll do whatever it takes to the end. That’s the military strategy if you are surrounded by Lebanon, and Syria, and Jordan, and Egypt, and we’ve had wars with all of them. And of course, Oct. 7 is just the latest in many, many, many decades of Palestinian resistance, or what Israelis would call attacks on civilians.

And in that kind of environment, your only option is to appear more crazy, more brutal, more willing to kill than the next guy. If you make Israelis feel or appear as though they have somehow succeeded in achieving some sense of safety, you can end this war tomorrow. But I think that the vast majority of people are either busy in reactionist condemnation that may be justified, but doesn’t lead to much on the ground. No real change on the ground or with the program.

So we’re seeing little bits here and there. In Canada, we did a little bit of an arms embargo, but it’s only partial, and it’s not a real arms embargo. The contemporary arms market is incredibly complex and decentralized, and so you would have to get basically the entire world on board to end it.

Marc Steiner:  Hearing both your deep understanding of the situation politically and historically, and also the pain I hear in your voice at the same time talking about where we are. I had a conversation the other day with a Palestinian who said in our conversation, all the Israelis have to leave for this to be over.

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Lia Tarachansky:  Yeah. There’s a very messy understanding of decolonization and anti-colonialism, in a lot of the pro-Palestinian left, unfortunately. There’s a very thin understanding of Israel and Israeli society. Where are the Israelis going to go?

Half the Israelis are descendants of refugees from the Arab world and the Muslim world. I don’t see Algerians and Egyptians and Iraqis offering the descendants of Jewish refugees their properties back. I don’t see the Moroccan government offering citizenship to Moroccan Jews. Not that they would go back at this point. A third of us, or sorry, excuse me, 20% of Israeli Jews are Soviet refugees, soviet immigrants.

Marc Steiner:  Like your family.

Lia Tarachansky:  Yeah. We came to Israel, we didn’t even have status because we fled the Soviet Union. We have nowhere to go back to. What, am I going to go back to the middle of another war in Ukraine?

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The vast majority of us have nowhere else to go. And when you corner someone, they fight by any means necessary. The Ashkenazi elites that have roots in the founding fathers and all that shit, they have another citizenship. They could go to Germany. They could go to Portugal. They could go elsewhere. I got very lucky. I ended up in Canada and I have options. But the vast majority of Jews in Israel don’t have those options, don’t have another home to go to.

The history of decolonization has to do with a metropole, a European country that goes into another country, colonizes, and sends its settlers to that country to take over.

This is a different story with Israel. I’m not saying settler colonialism is not a major part of what led to the current fight. Absolutely it is. But there’s many different things as well. There is no metropole. The people that founded the state may have had some colonial ideas, but the people who made up the bulk of the state are refugees.

This is the reality. We are not going to solve this by living in the what-if world of 1947 of what if we abandon Zionism? What if we think about decolonization? Okay, Israel exists. This is where we are. Israel exists. Israel has existed for four generations. There is now an Israeli culture, a Hebrew language that’s spoken. There’s a way of life. It is. Deal with the reality as is.

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You want all the Israelis to go somewhere else? [Inaudible], give them a piece of whatever other place, and then we can do the intellectual and cultural and psychological war of convincing them. That’s not going to happen. So in the reality of today, what do we do to end this? This is the only question we should be thinking about.

Marc Steiner:  So before we close out here, what you just said, just to ponder what you just said, how do we end this? It makes me think of what happened that I covered intensely in South Africa. At the end of Apartheid, everybody stayed in South Africa. Very few people left.

Lia Tarachansky:  As they succeeded to convince the white people that the end of Apartheid will not bring about their media death, [inaudible] did in other parts of Africa. In Zimbabwe, after the revolution, there was a systemic killing of white settlers. We can sit here and debate the morality of decolonization until the cows come home but you’re not going to create change until you make people feel safe, until you make them understand. You are in the Middle East, Israelis. Be part of the Middle East.

Marc Steiner:  It feels intractable, but I can’t believe it is intractable, that there’s got to be…

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Lia Tarachansky:  Well, people like us, Marc, don’t have the luxury of hopelessness.

Marc Steiner:  [Laughs] it’s true. It’s true. But people like us, even inside the Jewish world, that group is growing.

Lia Tarachansky:  Sure. Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, we’re the only ones who are going to be able to convince the Israelis that they are safe.

Marc Steiner:  To me, it’s always deeply important to talk with you about these things because you have a deep analysis laced with serious passion about what’s going on at the moment. And I think it needs to be heard, which is one of the reasons I called you and said, would you come on today? Because I think you need to be heard.

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Lia Tarachansky:  I feel like I have nothing to say anymore. Those words that I wrote a year ago when we still thought that Vivian Silver was alive, and before I knew the Hayim Katsman was dead, and before we knew that Haya Bokchev was dead, and before Khalil Abu Yahia was dead, those words, I have nothing left to say. There’s nothing to be said. It is so big. The level of destruction and violence and brutality and cruelty is so enormous.

The fact that tens of thousands of Israelis in the middle of a war are still protesting this corrupt government is a miracle. The fact that people still go out on the streets in Germany where it’s essentially illegal to be pro-Palestinian at this point, it’s… You’re seeing bravery in moments like these, and we need to hold each other up in these moments of uncertainty because people like us don’t have the luxury of hopelessness.

But if you want a kernel of hope, and I’m very cautious of optimism. As a political journalist, I think optimism is a very dangerous thing to have. Optimism is an emotion. Optimism is a feeling. Optimism is an outlook on life. And it’s destructive in situations like these where we are struggling so hard to see the reality.

Because let’s not fool ourselves, this war is going on because we are not seeing reality, because we are not tackling our denials and because we are not allowing ourselves to see. So hope, to me, is a different animal. Hope is a set of actions. You don’t hope out of optimism, you hope out of necessity.

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And there’s this incredible Ugandan scholar, world-class scholar, Mahmood Mamdani. And he’s a scholar also, amongst other things, of colonialism. He wrote a remarkable book called Neither [Settler nor Native].

Marc Steiner:  Called what?

Lia Tarachansky:  Neither [Settler nor Native]. And this is the latest book in many, many, many years. He was in Rwanda and he was in South Africa in 1984. And he was covering and looking at all these peace initiatives in Rwanda about reconciliation in 1984. And in 1984, it looked like South Africa was going to descend into total civil war and chaos, and it looked like Rwanda was moving towards [crosstalk].

Marc Steiner:  Right.

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Lia Tarachansky:  And as we know, 10 years later in 1994, there was a genocidal civil war in Rwanda that had colonial roots that left so many people dead, and South Africa ended Apartheid.

So the way things look does not often have bearing on the future. Many, many, many people have tried to predict what’s going to go on in Israel and Palestine, and then something happens and it all goes sideways. All of us were saying the escalation with Iran is going to lead to a nuclear war, nuclear winter. And then when it actually led to escalation to the point where Iran and Israel were lobbing weapons at each other, it led to nothing because there are other factors at play, and we as outsiders to those factors can only see a small fraction of the surface.

So you don’t know what the impact of your work is, you don’t know how you are connected to other people, and you don’t know what is actually happening on the ground unless you’re fighting it on the ground.

So considering our limited access, I think, just do what you can do that you can live with. I can’t ignore what’s going on. I feel a deep responsibility to be involved, to be informed, to sponsor refugees to Canada out of this place, to do anything that is going to make this even a tiny little fraction better. And I know that you do the same, and I hope that your audience does too.

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Marc Steiner:  Lia Tarachansky, A, let me just, again, thank you for everything you do, and I appreciate you taking the time today. I really thought this was a very important conversation, and a very difficult one. And I want to thank you for being willing to take the time and joining us here today at The Real News on The Marc Steiner Show. It’s always a pleasure to talk to you.

Lia Tarachansky:  Thanks, Marc.

Marc Steiner:  Once again, thank you to Lia Tarachansky for joining us today. And thank you to all of you for listening. And thanks to Dave Hebden for running and editing the program, our producer, Rosette Sewali, and the tireless Kayla Rivara for making it all work behind the scenes, and everyone here at The Real News for making the show possible. So for the crew here at The Real News, I’m Marc Steiner. Stay involved, keep listening, and take care.

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Rachel Reeves has been warned not to sharply ramp up government borrowing in a push for more public investment, as the chancellor considers a loosening of the fiscal rules in the October 30 Budget. 

Analysis published by the Institute for Fiscal Studies think-tank on Thursday shows the government could create space to increase investment spending by more than £50bn if it targeted a broader measure of the public finances.

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But Carl Emmerson, the IFS deputy director, said that even if the chancellor gained “lots of extra headroom”, she would need to be “very cautious” about using the extra borrowing capacity, given it would still mean higher debt interest payments.

If she were to boost investment, she would need to be “very clear about choosing the right programmes, making sure it is done well and that growth does materialise — and you can convince people it’s going to materialise,” Emmerson said.

Ben Nabarro, an economist at Citi whose forecasts underpin the IFS’s projections, said that while there was not a “buyers’ strike” in the gilts market, Reeves would need to make it clear she did not intend to use all the extra budgetary capacity she creates.

“There is clearly concern there,” he said, adding that international investors made no distinction between borrowing for immediate needs or for investment, and were not willing to give the UK the “benefit of the doubt”.

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Gilt market investors are on edge as they await an overhaul to the chancellor’s fiscal rules in the Budget to better reflect the benefits of public investment and not just the costs. The fiscal rules currently require debt to fall as a share of GDP between years four and five of the UK’s official forecast, but the gauge of debt largely excludes public assets.

If the chancellor were to instead target public sector net financial liabilities (PSNFL), which includes a range of financial assets including the student loan book, or public sector net worth (PSNW), which tallies up physical assets including roads and railways, it would boost her budget headroom. 

The IFS said, however, that the two alternative measures of debt were flawed, given the chancellor’s aim of convincing investors that higher capital spending would boost growth.  

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Paul Johnson, IFS director, said valuing assets such as roads and railways was uncertain and “bears no relation whatever to our ability to raise money in gilt markets”.

The PSNFL measure captures financial interests but excluded the roads and other physical assets that the chancellor wants to plough more money into.

Analysts said Reeves could win investors’ support if she made it clear she would only spend part of the headroom created by a change in the debt rule, scaled spending up slowly, and put firm institutional “guardrails” in place to ensure the money was well spent.

“We can’t just say we’re borrowing for good stuff. That’s not the way the world is likely to work for the UK unfortunately,” Nabarro said.

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“After a recent market dislocation just two years ago, international investors in particular are not really willing to give the gilt market the benefit of the doubt.”

Extra headroom for investment spending would not make Reeves’s job any easier when it came to tackling the strains on day-to-day spending on public services, the IFS added.

Funding the recent increases to public sector pay on a permanent basis, and honouring Labour manifesto commitments, will require Reeves to top up plans for day-to-day departmental spending by £14bn in 2028—29, according to the IFS. A further £16bn would be needed to avoid real-terms cuts to all areas of public services. 

Emmerson said this meant it would be “very challenging indeed” for the chancellor to meet her second fiscal rule, of keeping the current budget in balance with tax revenues covering day-to-day spending. 

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If the government wanted to go even further and raise day-to-day spending on public services in line with national income — reflecting growth in the population — it would need to increase taxes by a total of £25bn, the IFS said.

A government spokesperson said the Budget would “be built on the rock of economic stability” and noted the chancellor’s previous assurance that when it came to public investment, “this is not a race to get money out of the door”.

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Speculation over the wellbeing and whereabouts of Cameroon’s 91-year-old President Paul Biya has become a hot topic across Africa this week.

After attending the China-Africa summit in Beijing in early September, it was perhaps no surprise that he gave the UN General Assembly in New York a miss.

But when he stayed away from this week’s summit of French-speaking countries (La Francophonie) at Viller Cotterêts, north of Paris, the rumour mill went into overdrive, as he had not been seen in public for about a month.

Cameroon’s ambassador in France insisted that Biya is “in good health” and in Geneva – his habitual base when away from home.

Other sources suggested this was because he needed to rest under medical supervision after a heavy diplomatic schedule in July and August.

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After all, he is Africa’s oldest head of state and the second longest-serving, narrowly beaten to that record by President Teodoro Obiang Nguema of neighbouring Equatorial Guinea.

Such mundane indications were not enough to still speculative guesswork about Biya in Africa-interested media and political circles.

So finally the government spokesman, René Sadi, issued a formal denial of the rumours, adding that the president would return home “in the next few days”.

And the head of the president’s private office, with him in Geneva, insisted he was “in excellent health”.

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Cameroon occupies a key strategic location, as the gateway to landlocked Chad and the Central African Republic (CAR).

Apart from struggling to fully suppress jihadist violence around Lake Chad, it also wrestles with a complex and often violent crisis in its English-speaking regions.

In leading the response to these challenges, Biya has brought an unusual personal style that often eschews the front of the stage, without any apparent personal need to engage in diplomatic presenteeism or performative summitry.

He is a habitual non-attendee at many gatherings of African leaders.

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President Biya’s supporters want him to run for another seven-year term in next year’s elections

Even back home, with his measured speech and cautious tone, Biya has for many years spaced his personal interventions, largely delegating the day-to-day running of the government, and handling of technical dossiers, to a succession of prime ministers.

Unexplained absences from public view have been nothing out of the ordinary for this most enigmatic of presidents.

Rumours that he has died do surface from time to time, largely because of these unannounced disappearances from the scene.

But this low-key style belies the determination with which he contrived his arrival in power in 1982, elbowing aside his patron and predecessor Ahmadou Ahidjo, promising liberalising change before entrenching a hold on the presidency that no subsequent challenger or campaign of protest has managed to shift.

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As a wave of multi-party democratising change swept across much of Africa at the beginning of the 1990s, Biya was one of several incumbent leaders to shrewdly adapt, allowing sufficient reform to take the heat out of mass protest while nevertheless firmly keeping control.

Since one narrow election victory back in 1992, he has shrugged off subsequent political challenges, helped perhaps by manipulation of the polls and certainly by the divisions among often tactically inept opponents.

Now, with Biya’s current seven-year term drawing to an end in November 2025, supporters have even been pressing the 91-year-old to stand again.

Critics feel that it is long past time for Cameroon’s national leadership to pass to a younger generation who could tackle national problems and explore opportunities for development and progress with more speed and dynamism.

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In 2016 teachers and lawyers in the two mainly English-speaking regions, South-West and North-West, protested over the failure to properly resource English language rights and public services.

If Biya had responded more rapidly and with a more assertively generous and loudly touted reform package, perhaps he could have assuaged discontent early on – and thus averted the eventual slide into violent confrontation between the security forces and armed militants demanding outright secession.

Biya did later bring forward reforms – to meet the grievances of the English-speaking regions and, nationwide, to decentralise power to regional councils.

But sometimes citizens have faced long waits before the regime addresses their concerns – decentralised structures were not set up until many years after the original framework legislation had been passed.

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Cameroon has been hit by a secessionist rebellion in mainly English-speaking parts of the country

Some Cameroonians are, however, comfortable with Biya’s restrained approach to leadership and his readiness to leave successive prime ministers to handle routine decisions.

They see his role as more symbolic and distant, akin almost to a constitutional monarch.

Certainly, this representational role is a dimension of the presidency with which he has seemed at ease.

On 15 August, for example, he was at Boulouris, on the Côte d’Azur in France, where he gave a detailed 12-minute address at the commemoration of the 1944 Allied landings to liberate southern France from the Nazis – an operation in which many troops from the French African territories took part.

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And in fact, despite frequent absences from the Cameroonian capital Yaoundé – usually retreating either to his home village in the forested south or to his preferred international base, Geneva’s Intercontinental Hotel – Biya has continued to take the key sensitive political and strategic decisions.

The main gatekeeper to the heart of power at the Étoudi presidential palace is the Secretary General of the Presidency, Ferdinand Ngoh Ngoh.

A power system where Biya, as the head of state, keeps his cards so close to his chest inevitably generates gossip about his own intentions for the 2025 election and about potential successors.

But some of the senior regime figures most frequently tipped, such as Laurent Esso and René Sadi, are by now themselves far from youthful.

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Support groups have also appeared to promote a passing of the torch to the president’s elder son Franck Biya, a businessman – although Franck himself has never shown any interest in politics or given any hint of such ambitions.

But in today’s Africa, where disenchantment with the political establishment runs deep, particularly among young urban populations, establishment attempts to secure the continuation of power can carry risks.

In neighbouring Gabon, President Ali Bongo was deposed by the army last year after the regime manipulated the 2023 election to deliver him a further seven-year term despite his fragile state of health.

And when Senegal’s President Macky Sall lined up his Prime Minister Amadou Ba as his successor, he was decisively rebuffed by the voters who opted instead for the young reformist opponent Bassirou Diomaye Faye.

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Biya and his inner circle may feel confident of avoiding such scenarios. But that will require a shrewd reading of popular sentiment, especially among youth and the middle-class in big cities such as Yaoundé and Douala.

Paul Melly is a consulting fellow with the Africa Programme at Chatham House in London.

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