This is an audio transcript of the FT News Briefing podcast episode: ‘Elon Musk goes to Washington’
Sonja Hutson
Good morning from the Financial Times. Today is Tuesday, November 12th, and this is your FT News Briefing.
Now would be a good time to start paying attention to ETFs. And it looks like Elon Musk will have a big role in the new Trump administration. Plus, a fight is brewing over which hedge funds will lend to London’s most important water utility. I’m Sonja Hutson, and here’s the news you need to start your day.
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Exchange traded funds are having a blockbuster year. Cash flows into ETFs hit $1.4tn by the end of October. They’ve already surpassed 2021’s full-year record, and you can expect that number to climb even higher. There’s been a buying spree since Donald Trump won the US presidential election last week. A lot of the inflows this year have gone towards equity ETFs. Most of that came from the US but there was a big jump in emerging market equities after China passed its massive stimulus bill in September.
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Donald Trump voice clip
Let me tell you, we have a new star. A star is born — Elon! (Crowd cheers)
Sonja Hutson
When Donald Trump declared victory in the presidential race, one of the first people he publicly thanked was Elon Musk.
Donald Trump voice clip
Now, he’s an amazing guy. We were sitting together tonight. You know, he spent two weeks in Philadelphia and different parts of Pennsylvania campaigning.
Sonja Hutson
And not only that, Musk also poured millions of dollars into getting Trump elected. And it paid off. Under the new administration, the Tesla CEO is set to gain a lot of power. The FT’s Stephen Morris is here to unpack what Musk’s America might look like. Hi, Stephen.
Stephen Morris
Hello.
Sonja Hutson
So just how involved was Musk in this presidential election?
Stephen Morris
Well, Musk has been slowly drifting to a variety of rightwing causes for a little while now. But it wasn’t until after the attempted assassination of former president and president-elect Trump in July that he really got involved in a major way. He endorsed him and then he just started throwing his personal celebrity behind getting Trump elected. And he contributed more than $100mn to America Pac, which was the lobbying group he set up to support Donald Trump. So we’re really talking about substantial sums of money and incredible amounts of his time.
Sonja Hutson
Now, you mentioned that Musk has been moving toward rightwing causes for a while now. But what do you think ultimately drew him to Trump’s side?
Stephen Morris
I think it was a constellation of factors. Ideologically, Musk is very anti-woke and pro-free speech, and I think he thought the Democratic party had veered quite sharply to the left on those issues. But let’s not overlook the very concrete business interest here. Musk runs Tesla. He runs SpaceX, which pretty much runs the US space program at this point, and then, of course, X, the social media platform. All of these companies face significant regulatory probes, legal challenges and obstacles to growing and becoming more profitable and powerful.
Sonja Hutson
Outside of his companies, what role is Musk expected to take in the next Trump administration?
Stephen Morris
As anything with President Trump, it’s very unclear. But Musk hosted an interview with him in August where he repeatedly brought up this idea of a Department of Government Efficiency looking at how taxpayer money was spent and how regulations were imposed. And Trump has allowed him to speak pretty freely about wanting to slash $2tn from the US budget, firing thousands of people from the vast federal bureaucracy and eliminating a wide range of regulations which he blames for stifling American innovation. And we’ve already had a couple of concrete pieces of evidence that Musk is trying to put his people into government and get directly involved himself. The first one is a call with Ukrainian President Zelenskyy on Wednesday. And secondly, he’s tried to get some of his staff at SpaceX inserted into the Department of Defense, which gives billions of contracts a year to SpaceX. So Musk has shown already that he is prepared to be extremely involved.
Sonja Hutson
So, Stephen, if Musk does end up succeeding in slimming down the federal bureaucracy, how do you think all of that would reshape corporate America?
Stephen Morris
It’s much easier to go into Tesla and fire 14,000 people than it is to go into huge government departments and fire big groups of people. So it remains to be seen just how effective Musk can be in this advisory role. But there are various appointments, heads of department that could be very symbolic and could set the tone for the rest of the country, replacing the head of a senior leadership of things like the Federal Trade Commission, the FTC, the Securities Exchange Commission and the Department of Justice. Whoever leads these departments will set the tone for what cases and what rules those departments choose to pursue and what they choose to abandon.
Sonja Hutson
Stephen Morris is the FT’s San Francisco bureau chief. Thanks, Stephen.
Stephen Morris
Thank you very much.
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Sonja Hutson
Thames Water has become a battleground for hedge funds. Two rival groups are offering emergency loans to the utility, which is in serious financial trouble. The company said it could run out of money around Christmas if it doesn’t get help. But both of the options could saddle the company with even more expensive debt and cost customers money. I’m joined now by the FT’s Robert Smith to learn more. Hi, Rob.
Robert Smith
Hey.
Sonja Hutson
Just how significant is this moment for Thames Water?
Robert Smith
I think it’s hard to overstate the financial difficulty that Thames Water has found itself in. And the thing you’ve got to remember, taking a step back here, this is a regional monopoly for the capital of the United Kingdom. It has 16mn customers. You know, it’s supposed to be an incredibly safe, stable business. And now it’s in such dire financial straits. It’s having to go out to, you know, hedge funds, people who are specialists investing in some the riskiest debt imaginable. It’s having to potentially borrow billions from them. So the fact is, even in this position just underscores what a rapid fall into financial difficulty Thames Water has had.
Sonja Hutson
So tell us a little bit about each of these loan options that the two groups of hedge funds are offering Thames Water.
Robert Smith
I think to understand this, it helps to understand Thames Water’s debt structure. And at the top of the heap, you have the class A debt. So those are the guys in the kind of driving seat, rank ahead of everyone else. In this group of class A bondholders, you have the likes of Elliott Management, one of the most feared distressed debt investors in the world. And they offered the original loan, which the company has kind of provisionally agreed to. So it could total £3bn. It’s very expensive. It has an annual interest rate of nearly 10 per cent.
The second loan offer is from the class B bondholders, so they rank below the class A. And they’ve come into the company and said, hey, hey, hey, actually, we can provide just as much money, £3bn. We can do so a lot more cheaply. So 8 per cent a year.
Sonja Hutson
Well, what are the arguments that each of these groups are making to Thames Water about why their option is better?
Robert Smith
Yeah. So it’s interesting because, I mean, you put them alongside each other, right, and you might think, well, obviously the cheaper one is better. But the key nuance here is that to implement it, Thames needs the approval of its lenders. And there’s a lot more class A debt than class B debt. So even though the first loan is more expensive, it could be a lot easier to get approval on.
Sonja Hutson
OK. So even though the loan from these class A bondholders costs more, there’s an argument that the group is more likely to approve it because they would make money off of it. Now, after Thames Water chooses between these two competing offers, what’s next for the utility in terms of rebuilding its finances?
Robert Smith
Yeah. So one of the key moving parts is that the water regulator is gonna make a decision at the end of the year on effectively how much money Thames Water can charge its customers. And after that, it’s gonna try and raise a bunch of equity, so shares essentially, from hopefully more mainstream infrastructure investors. Now that’s really important because Thames Water’s existing shareholders, they basically threw in the towel. So we don’t really know what the outcome is gonna be. But this loan should be a bridge to Thames Water sorting out what its finances are gonna look like in future.
Sonja Hutson
And what would each of these loans mean for the customers that rely on Thames Water?
Robert Smith
Now, look, I mean, both loans, you know, neither of them are cheap. People involved in providing these loans are trying to say, hey, this is a short-term solution and it shouldn’t lumber customers for the long term. And you can imagine some people have not reacted well to this news.
So Feargal Sharkey, who’s a former UK rock musician, is very famous for that, but he’s now big campaigner and he’s basically described this as like vulture capitalism and that the regulator is letting like some really sharp-elbowed institutions have their way with a company at the detriment to customers.
Sonja Hutson
Robert Smith is the FT’s corporate finance editor. Thanks, Rob.
Robert Smith
Thank you.
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Sonja Hutson
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