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Why the FIA rejected McLaren’s petition – F1 Mexican GP Friday Reaction
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McLaren disagrees with FIA review petition rejection over Norris’s US GP penalty
McLaren has said it disagrees with the FIA’s decision to reject its right of review request over Lando Norris’s United States Grand Prix penalty and wants to “understand how teams can constructively challenge decisions”.
The Woking-based team had argued that the stewards made an incorrect call in handing Norris a penalty late in the Austin race, which dropped him behind F1 world title rival Max Verstappen to fourth in the results.
Norris overtook Verstappen on the outside of Turn 12 with four laps to go, but as Verstappen’s driving ensured both cars ended going off-track, Norris was given a five-second penalty for leaving the track and gaining an advantage.
The crux of the matter for McLaren came down to it arguing Norris was ahead of Verstappen when they both ran off-track and therefore the Red Bull driver was the one on the attack – with the original decision judging the British driver as the attacking driver.
According to F1’s racing guidelines, Verstappen becoming the attacker would have meant the Dutchman was required to leave Norris space on the exit of the corner, which he didn’t need to do as the defender.
But in order to get its right of review to the next stage, McLaren first needed to produce evidence that was new, significant, relevant and not available at the time of the decision, four criteria judged by the FIA stewards.
Lando Norris, McLaren MCL38, battles with Max Verstappen, Red Bull Racing RB20
Photo by: Sam Bagnall / Motorsport Images
This type of evidence usually involves some sort of camera angle or telemetry data that isn’t available at the time, but in this case McLaren – rather philosophically – offered the stewards’ initial verdict itself, in which it felt they erroneously referred to Norris as the attacker, as the piece of evidence.
The FIA officials dismissed this as “not sustainable”, stating the alleged error itself cannot be accepted as the element to demonstrate said error.
The matter is now closed and cannot be appealed further, but while McLaren disagreed with the FIA’s rejection it said it will work with the governing body to understand how to “constructively” challenge future decisions.
“We acknowledge the Stewards’ decision to reject our petition requesting a Right of Review,” McLaren said in a team statement.
“We disagree with the interpretation that an FIA document, which makes a competitor aware of an objective, measurable and provable error in the decision made by the stewards, cannot be an admissible “element” which meets all four criteria set by the ISC, as specified in Article 14.3.
“We would like to thank the FIA and the stewards for having considered this case in a timely manner.
“We will continue to work closely with the FIA to further understand how teams can constructively challenge decisions that lead to an incorrect classification of the race.”
The FIA stewards did agree with McLaren that currently a right of review procedure must clear an “extremely high bar” to be deemed admissible, with previous efforts by McLaren (Canada 2023), Aston Martin (Saudi Arabia 2023) and Ferrari (Australia 2023) all unsuccessful.
“Whether that should be the case or not, however, is a matter for the regulator (i.e. the FIA) and not the Stewards, whose role is to apply the regulations in a fair and independent manner,” they concluded.
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F1 Mexico GP qualifying – Start time, how to watch, channel
Carlos Sainz led the pace for Ferrari in Friday practice, leading the McLaren of Oscar Piastri.
Engine issues restricted championship leader Max Verstappen to just four laps in FP2.
What time does qualifying for the Mexico Grand Prix start?
The qualifying for the Mexico Grand Prix will begin at 3pm local time (-6 GMT) on Saturday at Autodromo Hermanos Rodríguez
- Date: Saturday, 26 October 2024
- Start time: 21:00 GMT / 22:00 BST / 23:00 CEST / 23:00 SAT / 00:00 EAT (Sunday) / 17:00 ET / 14:00 PT / 08:00 AEDT (Sunday) / 06:00 JST (Sunday) / 02:30 IST (Sunday)
2024 Formula 1 Mexico Grand Prix session timings in different timezones
Session |
GMT |
BST |
CEST/CET |
ET |
PT |
AEDT |
JST |
IST |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
FP1 |
18:30 |
19:30 |
20:30 |
14:30 |
11:30 |
05:30¹ |
03:30¹ |
00:00¹ |
FP2 |
22:00 |
23:00 |
00:00¹ |
18:00 |
15:00 |
09:00¹ |
07:00¹ |
03:30¹ |
FP3 |
17:30 |
18:30 |
19:30 |
13:30 |
10:30 |
04:30¹ |
02:30¹ |
23:00 |
Quali |
21:00 |
22:00 |
23:00 |
17:00 |
14:00 |
08:00¹ |
06:00¹ |
02:30¹ |
Race |
20:00 |
– |
21:00 |
16:00 |
13:00 |
07:00¹ |
05:00¹ |
01:30¹ |
How can I watch qualifying?
Formula 1 is broadcast live in nearly every country around the world.
Europe:
- Austria – Servus TV / ORF
- Belgium – RTBF / Telenet / Play Sports
- Croatia – Sport Klub
- Czech Republic – AMC
- Denmark – TV3+ / TV3 Sport / Viaplay
- Estonia: Viaplay
- Finland – Viaplay
- France – Canal+
- Germany – Sky
- Greece – ANT1 / ANT1+
- Hungary – M4
- Italy – Sky
- Netherlands – Viaplay / Viaplay Xtra
- Norway – V sport 1 / V sport + / Viaplay
- Poland – Viaplay
- Portugal – Sport TV
- Spain – F1 DAZN
- Sweden – Viaplay / V sport motor / TV 10
- Switzerland – SRF / RSI / RTS
- UK – Sky Sports F1
Americas:
- USA – ESPN Network
- Canada – RDS / RDS2 / TSN / Noovo
- Latin America – ESPN
Asia:
- China – CCTV / Shanghai TV / Guangdong Television Channel / Tencent
- India – FanCode
- Japan – Fuji TV / DAZN
- Malaysia – beIN SPORTS
- Indonesia- beIN SPORTS
- Singapore – beIN SPORTS
- Thailand – beIN SPORTS
- Vietnam – K+
Oceania:
- Australia – Fox Sports / Foxtel / Kayo / Network Ten
- New Zealand – Sky
Africa:
Can I stream qualifying?
Viewers from selected countries can subscribe to F1 TV to stream qualifying on a device of their choice. Some local broadcasters such as Sky TV (UK) and Movistar (Spain) also offer their own on-demand service.
Live commentary
Motorsport.com will bring the latest updates from Mexico throughout the weekend, including live commentary during qualifying on Saturday.
Mexico GP – FP1 results:
Mexico GP – FP2 results:
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Waters leads a dominant 1-2 for Tickford
Cameron Waters made a statement with a pole-to-flag Saturday win on the streets of the Gold Coast for the second year in succession in Supercars.
After taking a season-high sixth pole position, Waters won the start in his Tickford Racing Ford Mustang and built a lead of over five seconds before his first pitstop. For much of the middle stint he had team-mate Thomas Randle close behind, before he pulled away and went on to win by a convincing 9.41s.
“What a day, what a weekend so far. This thing has been an absolute rocketship all weekend,” he grinned after his fourth race win of the season.
“I got a really good start, I had a pretty cool race car and I just had to make the most of it. The car was bloody good and I don’t think we’ll be doing much to it [overnight].”
Randle drove strongly to make it a Tickford 1-2, and at one stage was right under Waters’s wing, before settling back to ensure his second podium finish of the season.
“What a race! It was pretty crazy down at Turn 1 but I made it through,” said Randle after his team’s first 1-2 result since 2017.
“I was trying not to look in the mirrors, it [the gap to Broc Feeney] was flickering and then going back up. The pitstops were amazing.”
Triple Eight’s Feeney, who started fourth, was aided by a very short first pitstop and who, inevitably, dropped back to eighth after a necessarily longer second stop, but still emerged as the best of the Chevrolet Camaros. He snatched third place off Matt Payne with 10 laps remaining, and then chased Randle before settling for third.
In Fourth place came Matt Payne, who started from the fifth row after he overshot a corner during his shootout lap. The Grove Racing Ford driver consolidated early and once he got into clean air, he was able to set rapid lap times.
Fresh from his Bathurst win, Brodie Kostecki gave Erebus Motorsport fifth place after starting from 10th on the grid after triggering a kerb sensor on his top 10 shootout lap. Sixth was David Reynolds, a deserved reward for the Team18 squad which essentially built a new Chevrolet after Reynolds’s significant Bathurst qualifying crash.
Behind Reynolds in seventh was Triple Eight’s Will Brown. The championship leader started from 11th on the grid after crashing out of the provisional qualifying session and, after swift repairs, understandably drove a circumspect race to take seventh.
Andre Heimgartner (Brad Jones Racing Chevrolet) was eighth ahead of Richie Stanaway, who started from the front row in the Grove Racing Ford and ran in second place in the early laps, before dropping back.
The one driver who may have challenged Waters for the win was Walkinshaw Andretti United’s Chaz Mostert, who battled with a gearshift sensor problem which negated his flat-shift feature. During both his fuel stops it also slowed his Ford nearly to walking pace in the pitlane, costing him around five seconds in his first stop and 20 in his second. His consolation prize was 10th place.
One of the fastest of the Chevrolets and one who might have challenged for a podium was PremiAir Racing Camaro driver James Golding, who snatched third place from Stanaway on lap 11 and chased after the Fords. But a left-rear wheel nut got stuck at his first pitstop, dropping him out of the top 20. By the end of the race he recovered slightly but only to 16th place.
The results mean that Brown, who carried a 204 championship point lead over Feeney into the race, saw his advantage reduced to 171 points, 2634 to 2463. Mostert remains third on 2391 ahead of Waters (2224), Mayne (1779) and Golding (1775).
Sunday’s schedule will see the Supercars back on the 3km street circuit at 10:10am local time for qualifying, for the top 10 shootout at 12:35pm and on the grid for the 22nd race of the season over 85 laps at 3:15pm.
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FIA stewards reject McLaren’s Right of Review petition over Norris’s Austin penalty
McLaren has had its request for a Right of Review into Lando Norris’ Austin penalty rejected by the FIA stewards for last weekend’s Formula 1 race in Austin.
McLaren had argued that the stewards made an incorrect statement – and overall call – in handing Norris a penalty in Document 69 (from the FIA timing system) of the Austin weekend.
It was this that the orange team submitted as a “significant and relevant new element that was unavailable to McLaren at the time the stewards took their decision” to penalise Norris.
McLaren tried to argue that Norris had successfully got ahead of Red Bull’s Max Verstappen in the scrap at Turn 12 late in the United States Grand Prix and so became a defending car and not an attacker when Verstappen shot back to reach the apex of the corner ahead before they both ran wide and Norris overtook in the wide run-off area.
Lando Norris, McLaren MCL38, Max Verstappen, Red Bull Racing RB20
Photo by: Red Bull Content Pool
In order for the Right of Review procedure to get to its second stage, which here would have been a new case assessing if Norris’s penalty would be rescinded, all teams initiating this process must prove to the stewards what they are arguing as new evidence is ‘significant’, ‘relevant’, ‘new’ and ‘unavailable at the time of the decision’.
The hearing in the Mexican GP paddock – with the Austin stewards joining via video – lasted just 25 minutes, as McLaren team boss Andrea Stella and team manager CHECK Randeep Singh made their case.
Red Bull representatives, which included sporting director Jonathan Wheatley, FIA officials including head of single seater matters Nikolas Tombazis were also present – with Wheatley outlining Red Bull’s arguments in the case.
Singh argued that McLaren believed ‘Document 69’ was a significant and relevant new element because “The document for the decision contained a statement that was incorrect and that [therefore] evidenced an objective, measurable and provable error had been made by the stewards” – per the FIA document announcing the Right of Review had been rejected.
McLaren said “that the statement [in ‘Document 69’] was that “Car 4 was overtaking Car 1 on the outside but was not level with Car 1 at the apex” and that “the above statement was in error because McLaren had evidence that Car 4 had already overtaken and was ahead of Car 1 “at the braking zone”.
Stella argued that “the case for McLaren was a ‘legally sophisticated explanation’ and urged the stewards to recognize that this was a substantive case especially compared to previous Right of Review cases”.
Wheatley said Red Bull felt none of the four Right of Review criteria had been met in this case and said, also per the relevant FIA document, that “in view of the “very high bar” that is set (in Article 14 of the FIA International Sporting Code) for a successful petitioning of a Right of Review, it is “extremely onerous” to establish the existence of the new element”.
McLaren, however, believed its evidence presented met the high bar required and also “stated that he felt there needed to be another way to correct decisions taken in a race”.
Having adjourned the hearing, the Austin stewards decided to only focus on one of the Right of Review elements – relevance – and declared that “the concept that the written Decision (Document 69) was the significant and relevant new element, or that an error in the decision was a new element, is not sustainable and is therefore rejected”.
The Austin stewards also explained that “McLaren appears to submit that the Stewards finding that “Car 4 was not level with Car 1 at the apex” was an error and that Car 4 had overtaken Car 1 before the apex (and therefore that Car 1 was the overtaking car) and that this asserted error is itself, a new element.
The statement continued: “This is unsustainable. A petition for review is made in order to correct an error (of fact or law) in a decision. Any new element must demonstrate that error.
“The error that must be shown to exist, cannot itself be the element referred to in Article 14 (of the ISC).”
At the end of their petition rejection document, the Austin stewards also commented on the “high bar” element of the Right of Review rule in the ISC.
They determined to draw the FIA’s attention to how “The current ‘high bar’ that exists in Article 14 and the fact that it appears to have been designed more for decisions that are taken as a result of a hearing where all parties are present, rather than in the pressurised environment of a race session, when decisions are taken, (as is allowed under the International Sporting Code), without all parties being present.”
This is an element of how Norris’s penalty was applied in Austin – without hearing his or Verstappen’s point of view – that had frustrated McLaren last weekend.
The hearing in the Mexican GP paddock – with the Austin stewards joining via video – lasted just 25 minutes, as McLaren team boss Andrea Stella and racing director Randeep Singh made their case.
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