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DEXUS Stapled Securities (DEXSF) Q2 2026 Earnings Call February 17, 2026 5:30 PM EST

Company Participants

Ross Du Vernet – CEO, MD & Executive Director of Dexus Funds Management Limited
Keir Barnes – Chief Financial Officer
Andy Collins – Executive General Manager of Office
Chris Mackenzie – Executive General Manager of Industrial
Michael Sheffield – Executive General Manage of Funds Management

Conference Call Participants

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Adam West – JPMorgan Chase & Co, Research Division
Cody Shield – UBS Investment Bank, Research Division
Simon Chan – Morgan Stanley, Research Division
Andrew Dodds – Jefferies LLC, Research Division
Adam Calvetti – BofA Securities, Research Division
Benjamin Brayshaw – Barrenjoey Markets Pty Limited, Research Division
Tom Bodor – Jarden Limited, Research Division
David Pobucky – Macquarie Research
Howard Penny – Citigroup Inc., Research Division
James Druce – CLSA Limited, Research Division
Yingqi Tan – Morningstar Inc., Research Division

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Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the DEXUS HY ’26 Results Briefing. [Operator Instructions] There will be a presentation followed by a question-and-answer session.

I would now like to hand the conference over to Ross Du Vernet, Group CEO and Managing Director. Please go ahead.

Ross Du Vernet
CEO, MD & Executive Director of Dexus Funds Management Limited

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Well, good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us for our half year 2026 results presentation. I’d like to begin today by acknowledging the traditional custodians of the lands and waterways upon which we operate and pay our respects to elders past and present.

Today, you’ll hear from Keir on the financials, Andy on office, Chris on Industrial and Michael on Funds Management. Concluding the presentation, I’ll provide a summary and open up to any questions that you may have.

DEXUS is a unique investment proposition in the Australasian real asset market. Today, we manage $51 billion of assets across our platform with third-party funds under management at 2.4x

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Hyatt Hotels Chairman Thomas Pritzker steps down over Jeffrey Epstein ties

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Hyatt Hotels Executive Chairman Thomas Pritzker announced Monday that he is stepping down effective immediately after documents released by the Department of Justice (DOJ) revealed his association with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.  

The executive, 75, told the company’s board that he will not seek re-election at Hyatt’s stockholder meeting in May, ending his 22-year tenure as chairman. 

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Pritzker acknowledged that he exercised poor judgment by failing to distance himself from the disgraced financier, who died in his jail cell in 2019 while awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges, as well as Ghislaine Maxwell, who was also convicted of trafficking minors alongside him.

“My job and responsibility is to provide good stewardship,” Pritzker said in a statement. “Following discussions with my fellow Board members, I have decided, after serving as Executive Chairman since 2004, and with the company in a strong position, that now is the right time for me to retire from Hyatt.”

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Tom Pritzker, executive chairman of the Hyatt Hotels Corporation, is seen on Dec. 4, 2004. (Michael L Abramson/Getty Images)

“Good stewardship also means protecting Hyatt, particularly in the context of my association with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell which I deeply regret,” he added. “I exercised terrible judgment in maintaining contact with them, and there is no excuse for failing to distance myself sooner. I condemn the actions and the harm caused by Epstein and Maxwell and I feel deep sorrow for the pain they inflicted on their victims.”

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Mark S. Hoplamazian will take on the dual role of chairman and chief executive, the company said.

Pritzker, the billionaire hotel magnate and a cousin of Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker, is among the high-profile individuals named in the millions of unredacted documents the DOJ unsealed earlier this year as part of the expanding investigation into the notorious sex trafficker and his ties to numerous prominent business and political figures.

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According to the files, Pritzker and Epstein exchanged numerous emails, some of which included attempts to arrange dinner plans and invitations to various events, Fox 32 Chicago reported.

Virginia Giuffre, a prominent Epstein accuser who died in 2025, alleged in a May 2016 deposition that she had one sexual encounter with Pritzker during her abuse. In a January statement to FOX Business, Pritzker’s spokesperson vehemently denied the allegations.

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Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell attend an event on March 15, 2005, in New York City. (Joe Schildhorn/Patrick McMullan via Getty Images)

Pritzker has served as executive chairman since 2004, during which he helped steer the company through its 2009 public offering and the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020.

“Tom’s leadership has been instrumental in shaping Hyatt’s strategy and long-term growth, and we thank him for his service and dedication to Hyatt,” Richard Tuttle, chair of the board’s nominating and corporate governance committee, said in a statement. 

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The Manchester Grand Hyatt Hotel in San Diego, California, on Feb. 11, 2018. (Patrick T. Fallon/Bloomberg via Getty Images)

“The Board has engaged in thoughtful succession planning, and we are confident that Mark’s deep knowledge of Hyatt’s business, strong relationships with owners and colleagues, and proven track record as CEO of nearly two decades positions him well to serve as Chairman and continue driving Hyatt’s long-term success.”

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LARRY KUDLOW: Will Europe and the Rest of the World Listen to Marco Rubio?

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Trumponomics is booming right now in America and as the president reminds us, we are the hottest economy and the hottest country in the world.

We’re growing by 4 percent or even more. We’ve got booming productivity, vast AI and their data centers. Our advanced chips are the best in the world, we are the dominant energy power.

Our stock markets are making record highs. Private employment is surging. And both the trade and budget deficits are coming down.

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That’s a backdrop for Secretary of State Marco Rubio’s superb speech to the Munich Security Conference.

And particularly, when Mr. Rubio says quote “we in America have no interest in being polite and orderly caretakers of the West’s managed decline.”

Mr. Rubio made this very clear by saying America has no interest to operate a global welfare state or atone for the purported sins of past generations.

Nor does America have any interest in the cult of climate change, which unfortunately has caused the deindustrialization of Europe, from which their economies have yet to recover.

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This was a brilliant speech by our secretary of state.

Using diplomatic language, he nonetheless gave Europe a spanking, especially on unlimited illegal immigration, and the end of sovereignty for their countries.

Enormous welfare states have prevented adequate defense spending in Europe. And globalism is basically a quote “dangerous delusion.”

He singled out the United Nations, which has played virtually no role in Gaza, the Ukraine, Iran, Venezuela narco-terrorism. And while the UN was failing, America under President Trump took the lead.

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Free and unfettered trade failed because so many nations exercise protectionism, subsidies, closing markets all at the expense of America.

Mr. Trump’s trade reciprocity policy is putting an end to this.

Basically Mr. Rubio told the conference to close their borders, regain sovereignty, start re-energizing technology instead of attacking American tech companies, and end their climate cult.

Now, as our head diplomat, he was gracious in referring to our shared heritage from Italian explorers, to English settlers, to French fur traders, to horses, ranches, rodeos, and cowboys from Spain. 

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And mindful of the bonds of Western civilization, including  as he put it, Christian faith, culture, heritage, and language.

And the speech was well received. A standing ovation.

Mr. Rubio has had a very big impact as a senator and now as our chief diplomat as secretary of state.

Whether he is going to have a big impact on Europe and other areas remains to be seen. Will they listen to his wisdom?

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Shein banned from University of Texas at Austin campus network

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Major fast-fashion retailer Shein has been officially banned from the University of Texas at Austin, one of the nation’s largest college campuses.

The move follows Gov. Greg Abbott’s January expansion of a 2022 directive, which now prohibits roughly 50 Chinese-affiliated companies, including Alibaba and Temu, from state devices due to cybersecurity and foreign interference concerns.

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The University of Texas at Austin confirmed to FOX Business Tuesday that the state’s prohibited technologies list also extends to the campus Wi-Fi networks.

“This policy is intended to ensure compliance with the new regulations as well as enhance awareness of potential security risks and safeguard sensitive state and university data,” the school said, according to its website.  

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University of Texas students walk through campus on the first day of classes Monday, Aug. 25, 2025. (Jay Janner/The Austin American-Statesman via Getty Images / Getty Images)

The campus ban on Shein — which surged into a multibillion-dollar global fast-fashion powerhouse in recent years by offering trendy clothes at hyper-affordable prices — has since received mixed reactions on social media.

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While some expressed frustration over the change, others criticized Shein for its controversial manufacturing ethics and labor practices.

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Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton announced in December that his office is investigating the e-commerce site for “potential violations of Texas law related to unethical labor practices and the sale of unsafe consumer products,” while also citing concerns over possible toxic and hazardous materials.

In December 2022, Abbott directed agency leaders to immediately ban employees from using TikTok and other Chinese-owned platforms on government-issued devices, calling them a “threat to Texas’ cybersecurity.”

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UT Austin later effectively blocked the popular social media app from its campus network in compliance with state regulations.

In January, Governor Abbott added 26 additional companies to the list of prohibited technologies, including artificial intelligence tools, e-commerce sites, and social media apps affiliated with the People’s Republic of China and the Chinese Communist Party.

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Among the 54 prohibited sites, the banned companies include social media platform RedNote, AI platform DeepSeek, electronics giant Xiaomi, Alipay, and Baidu, China’s equivalent of Google.

“Rogue actors across the globe who wish harm on Texans should not be allowed to infiltrate our state’s network and devices,” Abbott said in a statement.

“Hostile adversaries harvest user data through AI and other applications and hardware to exploit, manipulate, and violate users and put them at extreme risk. Today, I am expanding the prohibited technologies list to mitigate that risk and protect the privacy of Texans from the People’s Republic of China, the Chinese Communist Party, and any other hostile foreign actors who may attempt to undermine the safety and security of Texas.”

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Somerset County Cricket Club strikes largest deal in its 150-year history

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Somerset County Cricket Club has signed the largest single commercial deal in its 150-year history, it has announced. The historic West Country side has extended its long-term partnership with financial services firm Cooper Associates Group until the end of the 2030 season.

The renewed agreement will see the Taunton-headquartered business continue as the club’s Ground Naming Rights Partner and follows a decade-long partnership.

Since joining forces with Cooper Associates in 2016, Somerset County Cricket Club has enjoyed one of the most successful periods in its history, including clinching wins at the 2019 Royal London One Day Cup, and the 2023 and 2025 Vitality Blast.

Jamie Cox, the club’s chief executive, said the extension of the agreement reflected a “shared belief in long-term growth, excellence and innovation”.

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“Over the past decade, Cooper Associates Group has played an integral role in supporting the club’s ambitions both on and off the field,” he said.

“This partnership has always been about more than naming rights – it’s built on shared values, mutual trust and a genuine commitment to our community.

“We are incredibly proud of what we have achieved together, from silverware on the field to establishing the Cooper Associates County Ground as one of the most respected venues in the country.”

The Cooper Associates County Ground has become a major venue for sporting and other events in the last decade. It has hosted three ICC Men’s World Cup matches; one Men’s IT20 international; two Women’s Test matches; five Women’s One-Day Internationals; seven ICC Women’s World Cup matches; six Women’s IT20 internationals; and a major arena concert by international music superstar Lionel Richie

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Megan Barton, marketing director at Cooper Associates Group, said the company was “incredibly proud” to mark 10 years of partnership with the Somerset club and to extend its ground sponsorship.

She said: “Over the past decade, both our organisations have experienced significant growth and celebrated meaningful achievements, yet what has remained constant is the strong alignment of our values and our shared commitment to excellence.”

Ms Barton also said Cooper Associates was “excited” about the future, especially its wider sponsorship of cricketers Tom Banton, Jack Leach, and Thomas and James Rew.

“This partnership has always been about more than sponsorship alone. It reflects a mutual belief in ambition, integrity, and the power of sport to bring people together. As we have evolved, that shared foundation has only strengthened,” she added.

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ETMarkets PMS Talk | Gold allocation and dynamic hedging helped QAW beat Nifty in January selloff: Rishabh Nahar of Qode Advisors

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ETMarkets PMS Talk | Gold allocation and dynamic hedging helped QAW beat Nifty in January selloff: Rishabh Nahar of Qode Advisors
Amid sharp market swings and a 3% decline in the Nifty50 in January 2026, QAW — the diversified, low-volatility strategy from Qode Advisors PMS — delivered a positive return of nearly 7%.

In this edition of ETMarkets PMS Talk, Rishabh Nahar, Partner and Fund Manager at Qode Advisors, explains how a higher allocation to gold and a dynamically managed derivative hedge helped cushion downside risk and generate alpha.

He also shares insights into the strategy’s asset allocation framework, risk-adjusted return focus, and why an “all weather” approach may be particularly relevant in today’s uncertain macro environment. Edited Excerpts –

Q) QAW delivered nearly 7% return in January 2026 versus a 3% decline in the Nifty50. What led to the outperformance?

A) The outperformance in January was primarily driven by two factors: our higher allocation to gold and the effective deployment of dynamic derivative hedges.
Gold acted as a strong diversifier during the equity drawdown, while our hedging framework protected the equity portion of the portfolio during market weakness.


The combination of asset diversification and tactical hedging enabled QAW to deliver positive returns despite a challenging equity environment.
Q) QAW positions itself as a diversified, low-volatility strategy with a derivative hedge. How is the hedge structured and how dynamic is it across cycles?
A) The derivative hedge is designed to protect the equity component of the portfolio during medium- to long-term downtrends. It is not static – it adjusts dynamically based on market direction and trend signals.
When markets exhibit sustained weakness, hedges are activated to reduce downside risk. Conversely, during strong uptrends, hedges are scaled down or removed to avoid unnecessary cost drag.

This dynamic structure allows us to balance protection and participation efficiently across market cycles.

Q) How do you determine asset allocation between equity, gold, and cash?

A) The asset allocation framework is the result of rigorous testing and correlation analysis across asset classes. Gold and equities historically exhibit complementary behavior, especially during periods of stress.

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Within equities, we blend momentum and low-volatility strategies, which themselves tend to complement each other across market regimes.

While the core allocation is strategic and not frequently altered, we conduct regular portfolio reviews and may make measured adjustments based on prevailing market conditions and macro positioning.

Q) Since inception in November 2024, what has been the biggest contributor to alpha – asset allocation, stock selection, or derivatives?
A) The largest contributor to alpha so far has been asset allocation – particularly our higher allocation to gold – along with the timely and effective execution of our derivative hedges.

The interplay between diversified asset allocation and well-calibrated hedging has been instrumental in generating excess returns.

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Q) The Sharpe ratio stands at 1.59 versus 0.03 for the benchmark. How sustainable is this risk-adjusted outperformance?
A) The portfolio is specifically designed to optimize risk-adjusted returns rather than maximize raw returns. A higher Sharpe ratio is a structural objective of the strategy.

By combining uncorrelated assets and disciplined hedging, we aim to deliver stable and consistent performance across market cycles. While short-term metrics can fluctuate, the design philosophy of the portfolio supports sustainable risk-adjusted outperformance over the long term.

Q) With standard deviation slightly higher than the Nifty (13.42% vs 12.95%), how do you define “low volatility” in this context?
A) While our standard deviation has been comparable to the Nifty over the past year and since inception, an also meaningful measure is drawdown.

QAW has experienced significantly lower maximum drawdowns compared to the Nifty 50 during the same period. Over longer time frames, we expect volatility to moderate further.

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The strategy’s objective is not only to minimize short-term fluctuations, but also to reduce downside severity and improve return consistency over time.

Q) How actively do you rebalance between equity and gold based on macro signals?
A) The portfolio undergoes a structured rebalance annually to maintain strategic alignment. However, we continuously monitor macroeconomic signals and market conditions.

If warranted, we may make measured tactical adjustments during the year, though changes are incremental rather than aggressive. The framework prioritizes stability while remaining responsive to evolving macro trends.

Q) In the current macro environment, what risks justify an “all weather” approach?

A) The current environment is characterized by geopolitical uncertainty, inflationary pressures, shifting interest rate cycles, and periodic equity volatility.

An “All Weather” approach is designed to navigate such uncertainties without requiring precise market timing.

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While the strategy may not capture the full upside during strong equity bull runs due to diversification into gold and hedges, it aims to deliver smoother and more consistent returns across cycles – which is particularly valuable in uncertain macro conditions.

Q) Who is the ideal investor for QAW?

A) QAW is suitable for investors seeking stability, consistency, and lower drawdowns in their portfolios.

It can serve equity-heavy HNIs looking to smooth overall portfolio volatility, as well as conservative investors who want equity participation with downside protection.

In fact, most diversified portfolios can benefit from some allocation to strategies like QAW, given its focus on uncorrelated return streams and disciplined risk management.

(Disclaimer: Recommendations, suggestions, views, and opinions given by experts are their own. These do not represent the views of the Economic Times)

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Netweb Tech shares jump 4% after launch of ‘Make in India’ AI supercomputing systems powered by NVIDIA

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Shares of Netweb Technologies India rallied as much as 4.3% to touch an intraday high of Rs 3,233 on the NSE on Wednesday, after the company unveiled what it calls one of its most advanced AI infrastructure offerings — the ‘Make in IndiaTyrone Camarero GB200 AI Supercomputer along with a petascale personal AI system, the Tyrone Camarero Spark.

The Spark is positioned as one of the world’s smallest AI supercomputers, bringing NVIDIA’s full AI stack into a compact, desktop-sized system. It combines NVIDIA’s Blackwell GPUs, Grace CPUs, networking, CUDA-X libraries, and the broader AI software stack, and is aimed at developers working on agentic and physical AI applications.

The system delivers 1 petaflop of AI performance with 128GB of unified memory in a small form factor. It is designed to help developers in India run inference on AI models with up to 200 billion parameters and fine-tune models of up to 70 billion parameters locally.

It also enables users to build AI agents and operate advanced AI software entirely on-premises, without relying on external cloud infrastructure.

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In addition to the Spark, Netweb Technologies India Ltd has introduced Tyrone AI supercomputing systems built on NVIDIA’s Grace Blackwell platforms and manufactured in India. These systems are based on the NVIDIA GB200 NVL4 architecture, which integrates four NVIDIA Blackwell GPUs connected via NVLink and two NVIDIA Grace CPUs linked through NVLink-C2C.


The new systems are compatible with liquid-cooled NVIDIA MGX modular servers and are designed for high-performance workloads, including scientific computing, AI model training and inference. According to the company, they can deliver up to twice the performance of the previous generation in certain workloads.
The Tyrone Camarero GB200 AI system also incorporates technologies aimed at supporting large-scale AI training and real-time inference for large language models of up to 10 trillion parameters. These include the NVIDIA GB200 NVL4 chip, a second-generation Transformer Engine, fifth-generation NVLink, a RAS Engine, confidential computing features for secure AI processing, and a Decompression Engine.Netweb will showcase the Tyrone AI product range in New Delhi from February 16 to 20, 2026. The lineup will include the MGX-based GB200 liquid-cooled system and the Tyrone Camarero Spark, spanning applications from edge and personal AI computing to advanced data centre workloads, underscoring its India-based manufacturing push.

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ETMarkets Smart Talk | Only 16% IPOs beat market returns; be selective, says Ajay Tyagi who follows Warren Buffett

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India’s primary market may be buzzing with record IPO launches and strong listing-day gains, but long-term wealth creation tells a very different story.

Even as retail participation surges and SME issues draw heavy subscription, data suggests that only a small fraction of companies actually outperform the broader market over time.

In this edition of ETMarkets Smart Talk, Ajay Tyagi, Head – Equities at UTI AMC, and a self-confessed follower of Warren Buffett’s investing philosophy, cautions investors against getting swept up in IPO euphoria.

Backed by two decades of market experience and historical data, Tyagi highlights that barely 16% of IPOs have managed to beat long-term market returns — reinforcing Buffett’s timeless principle that patience and selectivity, not excitement, create sustainable wealth. Edited Excerpts –

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Kshitij Anand: To start with, I would like to begin with the big event that took place — Budget 2026. How do you see the Budget in terms of what the government could have done? We saw a knee-jerk reaction on Budget day, with the Sensex dropping 1,500 points. Were markets expecting more, and did the government under-deliver? What are your views on that?

Ajay Tyagi: As far as the Budget is concerned, the expectation was that there would be some consumer-related push — that was the broad market expectation. However, the government is walking a tightrope. It has to keep the fiscal deficit in check and has already committed to rating agencies and global investors that it will adhere to the fiscal glide path. This means that every year, the deficit has to be reduced — even if the reduction is small, it must be in that direction.

Another point investors may have overlooked is that last year, the government forewent a significant chunk of revenue — first by reducing direct taxes, i.e., personal income tax rates, and second, in October, by rationalising GST and effectively reducing indirect taxes. Both were substantial measures.

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So, it was prudent for the government not to expand spending and reverse the fiscal glide path. While investors on the street may have expected more, a rational investor like us viewed it as a welcome move. Perhaps that is why markets stabilised the very next day.

Since we are talking about expectations, I must also mention the upcoming 8th Pay Commission, for which the government will soon have to make provisions. The payout is expected to be significant. Therefore, it was only prudent for the government not to commit to additional measures after already implementing the tax cuts and with the Pay Commission obligations ahead.
Kshitij Anand: We have also seen a trend where every piece of bad news — whether geopolitical concerns or other setbacks — is being absorbed quite well by the market, with quick reversals. Do you see more room for downside from here?
Ajay Tyagi: Our view is that there is room for downside, and this is purely based on valuations. We analyse largecaps, midcaps, and smallcaps separately.There is relative comfort in largecaps. Our analysis suggests that while they are expensive, they are not excessively so. Perhaps another 5% to 10% correction — either in price or through time correction — could bring them back into a comfortable zone.

However, the same cannot be said for midcaps and smallcaps. They are still trading significantly above their long-term averages. Yes, there has been some price correction in smallcaps and a bit in midcaps, along with some time correction. But the reality is that current valuations for both midcaps and smallcaps are higher than their previous peaks over the last 15 years. I am not even referring to their long-term averages — their valuations today exceed their previous highs.

This will have to correct. I do not know what form it will take — whether it will be purely time correction or a combination of price and time. Our assessment is that it will likely be a mix of both.

Therefore, we remain cautious on midcaps and smallcaps, despite the fact that mutual funds are sitting on cash and any selling in the market is seen as a buying opportunity. I have been in the industry for 26 years, and UTI has been present in the markets for 60 years. Our collective experience suggests that whenever valuations overshoot, they eventually revert — notwithstanding any interim technical support.

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So yes, we would advise investors to wait for better entry points in midcaps and smallcaps.

Kshitij Anand: A very interesting point you mentioned is the kind of money that mutual funds are receiving — more than ₹31,000 crore month after month. That is phenomenal. From your perspective, how do you view this number?

Ajay Tyagi: First of all, we must fully appreciate the fact that there has been what we call the financialisation of savings. In our parents’ generation, the go-to asset classes were gold, perhaps real estate when there was a large lump sum to invest, and within financial assets, largely bank deposits or fixed deposits, or bonds issued by institutions like ICICI, IDBI, and even UTI.

That has changed significantly over the last 10–15 years. Investors are realising the importance of equity investment. Therefore, mutual funds as an asset class are now front and centre in every household. That is point number one — this is structural and will continue to grow.

We often examine mutual fund penetration in India. To give you a number, mutual fund assets as a percentage of GDP are still around 20%. In the US, the number is over 100%. I am not suggesting that we will reach US levels anytime soon, but even the global average is around 50% to 60%. So, we are below the world average. Structurally, mutual funds will continue to grow.

However, there is always a cyclical element. You have been in the markets long enough to know that when markets perform well, most investors tend to be backward-looking. They look at returns from the last three to five years, get excited, and invest more. So, the surge in SIPs and overall flows — surprising even us as mutual fund participants — is partly due to this cyclical element, with investors extrapolating recent strong returns into the next five years.

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There could be some dip in these SIP numbers. I would not be surprised by that, even though the structural trend remains upward, albeit with some cyclicality along the way.

Kshitij Anand: Let me also get your perspective on sectors. We have just started 2026 — new beginnings — and the Budget has also been announced, giving some direction on how government policies may play out over the next 12 months. Are there any sectors you are looking at that could hog the limelight?
Ajay Tyagi: I will mention two sectors that we believe could provide very good opportunities for investors.

The first is the consumption sector. There are two or three reasons for this. The government is aware that private consumption expenditure (PCE) in India has been trending below par. Over the last four to five years, the heavy lifting for GDP growth has been done by government spending on infrastructure. There has been a strong capex push in certain sectors, which has supported GDP growth.

However, consumption growth has been relatively weak. The government recognises this because personal consumption accounts for roughly 65% of India’s GDP. If that does not pick up, growth becomes a challenge.

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To support this, we have seen income tax cuts, which, give or take, have put about $11–12 billion into the hands of households. GST rationalisation has added another $20–23 billion. In total, around $35 billion has been infused into household pockets. In the context of a $4 trillion GDP, that is close to 1% — not an insignificant number.

We believe this should start reflecting in improved consumption trends over the coming quarters. Additionally, the upcoming Pay Commission — which occurs every 10 years — is another positive factor. Historically, when Pay Commission payouts have reached households, the following 12 to 18 months have seen strong consumption trends.

Lastly, even though consumption is structural in India given our low per capita income, it is also cyclical. The last three to four years have been relatively weak for consumption. None of us believe India is fully penetrated in categories such as cars, two-wheelers, dining out, and similar segments. These sectors still have a long runway. From this relatively weak base, we expect better cyclical trends in the coming years. All these factors combined make us positive on consumption.

The second sector may be more controversial — you might raise an eyebrow — but we are positive on IT.

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We spend considerable time analysing whether AI will be net negative or net positive for the IT industry. Our conclusion continues to be reinforced that AI will be net positive over the medium to long term.

Could it be disruptive in the short run? Yes. But over time, it is likely to be net positive. Historically, every new technology has initially disrupted IT services players. When mainframes emerged in the 1960s and 70s, people thought computing would replace human involvement. During the rise of remote infrastructure management in the 2000s, there were concerns that IT services staff would no longer be needed on-site. Around a decade ago, when cloud computing gained traction, people questioned the need for on-premise software and related services.

However, history over the past 60–70 years shows that new technologies tend to be net additive, not dilutive. It is incumbent upon IT services companies to continually train and retrain their workforce. This time, the focus must be on AI tools.

The winners and losers will be determined by which companies are agile enough to train their workforce and become AI-ready. But on an aggregate basis, we are positive and are looking for players who will be on the right side of the AI revolution.

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Kshitij Anand: In fact, my next question is also around IT, and you seem to be a contra buyer at this point in time. AI as a keyword is now prevalent across all sectors, not just IT, but also in financials and manufacturing. Recently, we saw data where Charles Schwab tanked about 7%, and wealth management firms seem to be slightly nervous about what might happen next because of AI’s impact on taxation documents and related areas. This is an evolving space, and I am sure over time it will help industries integrate AI, leverage the technology, and benefit customers. But how are you seeing it?
Ajay Tyagi: You have raised a very topical question. Let me share my thought process. I am actually surprised that people are punishing IT companies for exactly what you just mentioned.

Who was handling tax filings earlier? Who was preparing legal documents earlier? Let me extend that further. People say AI will do everything and may eat into the jobs of analysts, especially mundane tasks. I agree with that. But who were the people doing this work earlier? At the lower end, it was lawyers, articled assistants working for tax consultants, young CAs working for firms, or junior analysts doing routine work.

Yes, AI may replace some of these roles. But is that net positive or net negative for technology? These were non-tech jobs being replaced by technology. In the future, when you need to file taxes, you may not go to a consultant — you may use software instead. That actually expands the domain of technology rather than reduces it.

That is why I go back to history. Over the last 70 years, has technological evolution been net additive or net dilutive? It has consistently been net additive. This is another instance where people may be replaced by technology, but whenever technology expands, the total addressable market for IT services increases — it does not shrink.

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So, in a way, the answer lies in the question itself. This will likely expand the total addressable market for technology companies and, therefore, for the IT services firms associated with them.

Kshitij Anand: Let us also get some perspective on the other segment. We have discussed largecaps, but what about mid and smallcaps? We have seen some correction, but data suggests they are still trading above long-term averages. What is your view?
Ajay Tyagi: You are absolutely right, and we completely concur with that view. They are trading at a premium — in fact, significantly above their long-term averages. It is not just a 10%, 15%, or 20% premium; in some cases, the premium is 40% to 50%. That is what keeps us cautious and somewhat concerned about this segment of the market.

That is why our advice to investors has been to tilt toward largecap-oriented categories. It could be a pure largecap fund, a flexicap fund, or a large-and-midcap category — but with higher allocation to largecaps and lower exposure to mid and smallcaps.

While we believe largecaps may normalise within this calendar year, I remain sceptical about saying the same for mid and smallcaps. The correction and consolidation there could take longer.

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Kshitij Anand: Let us also talk about earnings. Since valuations are a concern, earnings form a significant part of that equation. Do you think the December quarter results have given us confidence that earnings are improving? With the trade deal and tariff changes — initially at 50% and now reduced to 18% — it may not significantly boost earnings, especially after reading the fine print. How do you see the earnings cycle at this point? Is that one of the reasons you believe there is room for further correction?
Ajay Tyagi: Before I answer that, I want to add one clarification to my previous point. While we remain cautious about mid and smallcaps broadly, I do not want to imply that in a universe of, say, 400 mid and smallcap stocks, there are no worthwhile opportunities. There could be a couple of dozen companies that still offer favourable risk-reward. Our job is to identify those. My comment was about the broader category.

Now, on earnings — India’s exports to the US account for slightly below 2% of GDP. When we saw the 50% tariff that lasted for about six months, we did some back-of-the-envelope calculations. The potential impact on GDP growth was around 40–50 basis points, and on earnings growth, perhaps a couple of percentage points.

So, it was not as if GDP or earnings were going to be dramatically affected. However, sentimentally, it was negative. Investors were puzzled, given that India was seen as a close ally and a “China-plus-one” beneficiary. The uncertainty made it difficult for investors, and that partly explains the FII outflows we saw between August and January.

Hopefully, that sentiment reverses now that the outlook is improving.

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On earnings, I would say we should not get overly excited. If the 50% tariff did not derail growth meaningfully, then the reduction to 18% is also unlikely to create a massive earnings windfall across industries. However, apart from improving FII sentiment, it could help restart the FDI cycle.

I know of several corporates that had paused investments due to uncertainty about India-US relations. If that clarity improves, FDI flows could resume, which would be positive over the medium term.

Kshitij Anand: Inconsistent policy?

Ajay Tyagi: Exactly. Therefore, investors were wary of putting in that $1 billion or $2 billion investment into the country. Once that cycle restarts, it will definitely have a fundamental bearing on GDP growth and, therefore, earnings growth as well. So, all put together, this should certainly be positive.

Now, notwithstanding the tariff increase that we saw and the subsequent correction, even if this episode had never happened, India was in any case going through an earnings slowdown in both FY25 and FY26, which is just about to end. We have only seen about 7% to 8% earnings growth in both these years.

You know that India’s long-term earnings growth is around 12%, broadly in line with nominal GDP growth. Beyond the cyclical slowdown of the last couple of years, we expect a cyclical upswing. The reasons are similar to what I mentioned earlier — the government giving a fillip to consumption, and consumption being a large part of the economy. If consumption picks up, it eventually percolates down into overall earnings growth.

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In any case, we are looking at at least 12% to 13% earnings growth in the upcoming year, FY27. That is our broader view. We expect better earnings growth compared to the last two years, which were certainly disappointing.

Kshitij Anand: Another theme that picked up last year was IPOs. We saw more than 300 IPOs, including SME IPOs — more on the SME side and fewer on the main board — but still over 100 main-board IPOs in the last calendar year. How are you viewing this space now? Do you think so many IPOs hitting the market is good for the industry, or is it a word of caution?
Ajay Tyagi: That is a very interesting question, and I am glad you asked it. I see tremendous excitement among retail investors toward IPOs — and, quite worryingly, toward SME board IPOs, which, in my view, is actually a no-go area. Investors should be extremely cautious about SME board IPOs.

Even IPOs on the main exchanges should be approached with caution. Let me share some data. We continuously analyse IPO data. Before that, let me refer to the Pareto principle — the 80-20 rule — which states that 80% of outcomes are driven by 20% of factors. In stock markets, this holds true, and in IPO markets, it is even more pronounced.

Only about 20% of IPOs end up creating meaningful wealth for investors. We have analysed data from 2000 onwards — year by year — looking at how many IPOs were launched and what returns they delivered over time. The data shows that only about 16% to 17% of IPOs have generated returns higher than overall market returns. Given that long-term market returns have been around 13–14%, that was our benchmark.

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So, only about 16–17% of IPOs have beaten that benchmark. This is data investors should keep in mind. They should not invest indiscriminately in all IPOs. Many are chasing listing gains, which I understand, but that is not how wealth is consistently created.

Now, to your question — is this trend good or bad? I would say it is net positive. High-quality companies also come to market through IPOs. For instance, if a company like Eternal had not listed in India and had instead gone to Nasdaq, it would have been unfortunate because domestic investors would not have had the opportunity to participate in that business. Similarly, several strong companies have gone public in recent years.

So, the trend is net positive. What it requires is the ability to separate the wheat from the chaff. Investors must not be indiscriminate; they need to be very selective.

Kshitij Anand: I wanted to get your perspective on FIIs as well. You did say that FIIs are sort of coming back now, but net-net, they were net sellers last year. Hopefully, with the US deal coming through and the rupee also stabilising at this point around 90-ish, how are you seeing the FII picture at this point in time?

Ajay Tyagi: Let me share some data first and then directly respond to your question. FIIs started investing in India in 1992, when the markets opened up. Since then, FII ownership of Indian equities has steadily increased. It reached a peak of 22% in 2021 — the highest level of FII ownership in Indian equities.

From 2021 until now, this number has declined to around 17% or 17.5%. The last time it was this low was in 2013. If you recall, 2013 was the year when Morgan Stanley categorised India as part of the “Fragile Five.” Fundamentally, India was not performing well at that time, and FIIs were concerned, so they reduced their exposure.

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Today, however, India is in much better shape, yet FII ownership has fallen back to 17–17.5%, a level last seen in 2013. After that period, ownership steadily rose year after year. This clearly indicates that FIIs have sold significantly. In fact, India has not been a good trade for FIIs, not just in the last year but over the last two to three years.

The key takeaway is that India is not over-owned by FIIs; it is under-owned. That is actually comforting. When there is no froth — whether in a stock, a sector, or a country — it provides a degree of comfort. India is not currently a crowded trade, and that is positive.

Secondly, as I mentioned earlier, there was a sentiment-driven negative impact when the India-US treaty did not materialise and India was subjected to a 50% tariff. China, for instance, faced a 35% tariff, so India being higher than that was surprising. It created uncertainty, and many investors preferred to stay underweight.

At least that part of the issue has now been addressed. With valuations correcting and fundamentals potentially improving, the case for India strengthens.

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The third factor is earnings. As we discussed earlier, earnings were disappointing over the last couple of years. If earnings growth returns to trend levels, that could be the final trigger to bring FIIs back.

So, we may currently be at a cyclical low in terms of FII ownership, and we could potentially see this ownership rise again toward previous levels.

Kshitij Anand: So, being under-owned at this point is actually a comforting factor and perhaps a cue investors should take note of. Also, what would be your advice to long-term investors? There has been a lot of volatility, and many new-age investors have experienced it for the first time. For someone deploying money in 2026, which began on a volatile note but is now stabilising, what would your advice be?

Ajay Tyagi: I consider Warren Buffett my guru. Much of what I have learned in the markets comes from his teachings. I recall one of his one-line gems that changed my perspective on investing: “Markets are designed to transfer wealth from the active investor to the patient investor.”

My advice to investors is this: your patience will be tested. There will be times when you may feel foolish. But those are precisely the times when patience matters most — provided you have acted sensibly.

By sensible, I mean not investing indiscriminately in every IPO, but preserving capital for the right opportunities; not chasing sectors simply because they are fashionable; and not selling quality businesses like IT just because it is currently popular to say that AI will replace everything.

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If you have done your fundamental research well and are focused on long-term drivers, then patience will be rewarded. This is a business where EQ is often more important than IQ.

There may be years when Indian markets deliver negative or flat returns. That does not mean the Indian economy has lost momentum or that equity markets will not deliver 12–13% returns over time. Markets are cyclical. After a few years of strong returns, it is natural to expect a few years of subdued performance.

So, my generic advice — and it is perhaps even more relevant today — is to remain patient and stay focused on the long term.

(Disclaimer: Recommendations, suggestions, views, and opinions given by experts are their own. These do not represent the views of the Economic Times)

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